TY - JOUR
T1 - Spontaneous Stochasticity Amplifies even Thermal Noise to the Largest Scales of Turbulence in a Few Eddy Turnover Times
AU - Bandak, Dmytro
AU - Mailybaev, Alexei A.
AU - Eyink, Gregory L.
AU - Goldenfeld, Nigel
N1 - This work was partially supported by the Simons Foundation through Targeted Grant “Revisiting the Turbulence Problem Using Statistical Mechanics” [Grants No. 663054 (G. L. E.) and No. 662985 (N. G.)]. A. A. M. was supported by the National Council for Scientific and Technological Development CNPq Grant No. 308721/2021-7 and Fundação Carlos Chagas Filho de Amparo à Pesquisa do Estado do Rio de Janeiro FAPERJ Grant No. E-26/201.054/2022.
PY - 2024/3/8
Y1 - 2024/3/8
N2 - How predictable are turbulent flows Here, we use theoretical estimates and shell model simulations to argue that Eulerian spontaneous stochasticity, a manifestation of the nonuniqueness of the solutions to the Euler equation that is conjectured to occur in Navier-Stokes turbulence at high Reynolds numbers, leads to universal statistics at finite times, not just at infinite time as for standard chaos. These universal statistics are predictable, even though individual flow realizations are not. Any small-scale noise vanishing slowly enough with increasing Reynolds number can trigger spontaneous stochasticity, and here we show that thermal noise alone, in the absence of any larger disturbances, would suffice. If confirmed for Navier-Stokes turbulence, our findings would imply that intrinsic stochasticity of turbulent fluid motions at all scales can be triggered even by unavoidable molecular noise, with implications for modeling in engineering, climate, astrophysics, and cosmology.
AB - How predictable are turbulent flows Here, we use theoretical estimates and shell model simulations to argue that Eulerian spontaneous stochasticity, a manifestation of the nonuniqueness of the solutions to the Euler equation that is conjectured to occur in Navier-Stokes turbulence at high Reynolds numbers, leads to universal statistics at finite times, not just at infinite time as for standard chaos. These universal statistics are predictable, even though individual flow realizations are not. Any small-scale noise vanishing slowly enough with increasing Reynolds number can trigger spontaneous stochasticity, and here we show that thermal noise alone, in the absence of any larger disturbances, would suffice. If confirmed for Navier-Stokes turbulence, our findings would imply that intrinsic stochasticity of turbulent fluid motions at all scales can be triggered even by unavoidable molecular noise, with implications for modeling in engineering, climate, astrophysics, and cosmology.
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U2 - 10.1103/PhysRevLett.132.104002
DO - 10.1103/PhysRevLett.132.104002
M3 - Article
C2 - 38518311
AN - SCOPUS:85187136760
SN - 0031-9007
VL - 132
JO - Physical review letters
JF - Physical review letters
IS - 10
M1 - 104002
ER -